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第172手
1 jansteen 3d*: Here black resigned imp NR : very nice game, thx jan hwong 10k*: thanks jansteen jansteen 3d*: Ok, some post-game comments:.... jansteen 3d*: After black's four stone capture of q11 black was ahead jansteen 3d*: After white's tesuji of m14 white was ahead jansteen 3d*: Thank you all for input and a very lively and interesting analysis, we learned a lot! jansteen 3d*: Ok, I close the game now, pls re-study in private :)
第10手
jansteen 3d*: Well, they "go their own way" jansteen 3d*: Difficult position jansteen 3d*: What's direction in lower-right? jansteen 3d*: Question is: r4 or r8? imp NR : r8 (;Kirsten), same for me:) jansteen 3d*: Why? jansteen 3d*: Right, r8 has two meanings: attack r6 and develop q16 ...
第14手
jansteen 3d*: Next move makes sense, ideas? jansteen 3d*: (;previous moves made sense too, but next move can be predicted) jansteen 3d*: o17 was played with a purpose jansteen 3d*: What's the hottest place on the board? imp NR : so, black plays f15:) jansteen 3d*: right imp! jansteen 3d*: Difference between white f16 or black f15 is huge jansteen 3d*: (;Fundamentals of Go: connecting and cutting) ...
第15手
jansteen 3d*: This move makes d14 and j16 miai ...
第16手
jansteen 3d*: Next? imp NR : we say j16 jansteen 3d*: imp and Kirsten payed attention :) ...
第17手
jansteen 3d*: And now two choices: j17 or e17, which one? jansteen 3d*: Why? imp NR : agree here jansteen 3d*: Right, walking along the top is bad because o17 is waiting ...
第18手
jansteen 3d*: Anyone knows next move for black? ...
第20手
jansteen 3d*: This trade is fair since white protected the upper-left corner with e17 and f18 jansteen 3d*: The usual move for black is g17 here, but there is another hot area, anyone can spot it? imp NR : r12? jansteen 3d*: r12 is not so urgent jansteen 3d*: White's upper-right can settle by either r17 or r11, so not urgent imp NR : hmm, in LR then jansteen 3d*: club got it imp NR : but nothing special there? jansteen 3d*: White played elsewhere after r8, r4 collects interest ...
第21手
imp NR : ah, did not think r4 was *that* important :) Pollux 11k : ;hi. all dans here? imp NR : guess not, normally many strengths participate :) jansteen 3d*: Next move also makes sense, remember what I said about UL joseki? imp NR : so welcome to join in jansteen 3d*: Think more severe malf jansteen 3d*: You got the idea, just perfection now ...
第22手
jansteen 3d*: White takes interest from black's tenuki jansteen 3d*: Next move is must... jansteen 3d*: which? ...
第23手
jansteen 3d*: Right, h15 only move jansteen 3d*: Just a matter of shape, you don't need to read such a move imp NR : or j15:) jansteen 3d*: Not j15 imp, h15 would slice through black's position ...
第24手
jansteen 3d*: Next move is also basic jansteen 3d*: Which? ...
第25手
jansteen 3d*: Go is very simple game, just shape, cutting and connecting jansteen 3d*: Everybody can play like this jansteen 3d*: Right, nice moment to play elsewhere, where? jansteen 3d*: l3? Why? jansteen 3d*: l3 protects h3, when black enters anyway white can still o3 ...
第26手
jansteen 3d*: Usually l3 is miai with another move jansteen 3d*: Otherwise white's shape would become too perfect jansteen 3d*: Which move? imp NR : c3 must, then w o3 jansteen 3d*: Good imp! ...
第28手
jansteen 3d*: I would block at d3 instead of o3 jansteen 3d*: Would d3 be possible as well? imp NR : o3 gives b difficulties in the corner, keeps it slightly weak jansteen 3d*: ok jansteen 3d*: Black has to move out of the corner now jansteen 3d*: again: cutting (;r6 and o3) imp NR : b has to do something in LR, which proves o3 better than d3:) jansteen 3d*: There is a traditional combination here, which one? jansteen 3d*: Right club, you are good interpreting hints :) ...
第29手
jansteen 3d*: The combination is: m4, m3, o4 ...
第34手
jansteen 3d*: The usual pro-magic playing with shapes jansteen 3d*: Both go their own way jansteen 3d*: direction is correct club, shape? imp NR : f2 now? imp NR : or q7 defence? ...
第35手
jansteen 3d*: n6 goes ahead of white imp NR : better than q7 this:) jansteen 3d*: White of course wants to use r6 most efficient way, but preparation is necessary, next? imp NR : r17? jansteen 3d*: r10 very direct (;leaves weakness at r12) jansteen 3d*: r17 is big, but urgent move before big one imp NR : or d3? jansteen 3d*: d3 only one purpose: defending territory ...
第36手
jansteen 3d*: This move radiates power all over the place jansteen 3d*: Suddenly white q7 becomes an option, or l17 as well jansteen 3d*: Besides, when black plays first at right side (;r12), LR becomes very large and... imp NR : I think I understand this: has to do something against b r12, this better than corner jansteen 3d*: r6 is eaten the largest possible way jansteen 3d*: Black defends against q7, how? imp NR : q10? jansteen 3d*: q10 correct idea but no follow-up move against white's position ...
第37手
jansteen 3d*: Next one logical as well, imp? jansteen 3d*: r11 would be defense only imp NR : p10, or maybe q9? ...
第38手
imp NR : should have known:) jansteen 3d*: r17 is: 1. big, 2. defense 3. attack jansteen 3d*: Well, of course black doesn't defend with q17 here but seeks own ways, where? jansteen 3d*: q17 would be similar to d3 kind of move: one purpose jansteen 3d*: Don't think about local situation too much, fly around :) jansteen 3d*: left side is least interesting area, both low: c6 and c14 ...
第39手
jansteen 3d*: This move is: 1. big 2. attacking potential jansteen 3d*: As you might understand by now white does not defend with something like g3 but also goes own way, where? imp NR : m17 maybe? jansteen 3d*: p18 is not severe enough, direction is correct jansteen 3d*: m17/l17 are equal direction, both correct, l17 more correct imp NR : simply q17? ...
第40手
jansteen 3d*: This is shape because of j18 option jansteen 3d*: Go can be very simple game jansteen 3d*: This game is extremely simple and instructive I think imp NR : l16? jansteen 3d*: Nothing special so far, all basic ideas jansteen 3d*: What's difficult for us is to go our own way I think jansteen 3d*: We see the points, but timing and such is difficult imp NR : true:) jansteen 3d*: Ok, black is risking to be cut in two by l15, so? imp NR : j18 overplay here? jansteen 3d*: j18 definitely overplay, white l15 jansteen 3d*: m16 correct direction, black played lighter ...
第41手
imp NR : but what if n16 now? Couldn't think of good answer. jansteen 3d*: If white n16 black will start fighting with q14 or similar jansteen 3d*: With j18 still there this is an equal fight ...
第42手
jansteen 3d*: Why k18? jansteen 3d*: Right, less forcing moves for black now ...
第45手
jansteen 3d*: Black takes care of n16 weakness ...
第48手
jansteen 3d*: White o12 quite a decision jansteen 3d*: o12 valuable and still aiming thinness in black's top jansteen 3d*: However, black can now ...? imp NR : CUT:) ...
第49手
jansteen 3d*: Right! ...
第53手
jansteen 3d*: Next move: o9 or m12? ...
第54手
jansteen 3d*: o9 prevents black o10 (;which attacks and is very big) jansteen 3d*: How will black defend here? What does white want? jansteen 3d*: p8 would be usual way to defend, agree jansteen 3d*: But then o9 would feel very much kikashi and white would take other keypoint (;m12) as well imp NR : simply m12? ...
第55手
jansteen 3d*: Right imp :) jansteen 3d*: m12 defends by attacking the white group jansteen 3d*: pro's always look for positive solutions (;with multiple meaning) jansteen 3d*: m12 strengthens top and weakens white's group jansteen 3d*: Now fighting comes as you might guess... jansteen 3d*: thousand variations here, I just show the game.... ...
第56手
jansteen 3d*: n5 wants o6 obviously ...
第58手
jansteen 3d*: Looks like black demolished here jansteen 3d*: But just stay cool and.... ...
第59手
jansteen 3d*: Now miai of o8 and o10 jansteen 3d*: Counter-attack ...
第63手
jansteen 3d*: Result: white cut off n6, black captured q11: a furikawari ...
第67手
jansteen 3d*: Who's better? jansteen 3d*: inkarri think b better, club think w better; who's right? :) ...
第68手
jansteen 3d*: White built thickness and saved r6 stone, I think at least equal for white ...
第69手
jansteen 3d*: this move is kikashi ...
第72手
jansteen 3d*: Next sequence is interesting jansteen 3d*: black doesn't want to give center for free... ...
第73手
jansteen 3d*: sente ...
第75手
jansteen 3d*: Suddenly tables seem turned, next move? jansteen 3d*: Think positive imp NR : m8? jansteen 3d*: m8 correct direction, but m8 stresses defense jansteen 3d*: look for offense :) ...
第76手
pizza 1d : m6 imp NR : l12? jansteen 3d*: l8 very positive move ...
第77手
jansteen 3d*: Treatens l5 ...
第79手
jansteen 3d*: Another exchange jansteen 3d*: Very interesting ...
第83手
imp NR : k6 soon i think jansteen 3d*: Next move impossible to find, pro skills come.... jansteen 3d*: The result is spectacular imp NR : m13? jansteen 3d*: very close imp! hwong 10k*: jansteen, you make the game very interesting to watch! jansteen 3d*: thank you hwong :) imp NR : l13? jansteen 3d*: Try to combine the l17 stone and o11 cut imp NR : m14 also something to think of... jansteen 3d*: yes imp! ...
第84手
imp NR : Unfair, the pro's have hours:) jansteen 3d*: Not hours imp, this is lightning game :) jansteen 3d*: m14 makes miai of l15 and o11 trouble ...
第90手
jansteen 3d*: What if l13 now? jansteen 3d*: Possible? jansteen 3d*: p16 cutting point left ...
第94手
jansteen 3d*: Quite a result, isn't it? ...
第98手
jansteen 3d*: Black to play and make shape with top center group, where? imp NR : d13? jansteen 3d*: Good feeling shouzhuo, very close ...
第99手
jansteen 3d*: Looks nice too, less heavy than e13 jansteen 3d*: No shouzhuo, only one :) ...
第116手
jansteen 3d*: White plays simple: keeps black seperated jansteen 3d*: Meanwhile, the center is enlarged ...
第119手
jansteen 3d*: A moment to be careful, where? imp NR : d17? imp NR : we seem not careful:) imp NR : c18 then ...
第120手
jansteen 3d*: I'm not sure what will happen after the usual b17 instead ...
第124手
jansteen 3d*: White wants to close d6 jansteen 3d*: So black enters from the other side... ...
第145手
jansteen 3d*: Black starts the semeai ...
第159手
imp NR : strange: w plays as in need of points (;b6) imp NR : but seems much agead to me ...
第172手
jansteen 3d*: Here black resigned imp NR : very nice game, thx jan hwong 10k*: thanks jansteen jansteen 3d*: Ok, some post-game comments:.... jansteen 3d*: After black's four stone capture of q11 black was ahead jansteen 3d*: After white's tesuji of m14 white was ahead jansteen 3d*: Thank you all for input and a very lively and interesting analysis, we learned a lot! jansteen 3d*: Ok, I close the game now, pls re-study in private :) ...
第10手
jansteen 3d*: Well, they "go their own way" jansteen 3d*: Difficult position jansteen 3d*: What's direction in lower-right? jansteen 3d*: Question is: r4 or r8? imp NR : r8 (;Kirsten), same for me:) jansteen 3d*: Why? jansteen 3d*: Right, r8 has two meanings: attack r6 and develop q16 ...
第14手
jansteen 3d*: Next move makes sense, ideas? jansteen 3d*: (;previous moves made sense too, but next move can be predicted) jansteen 3d*: o17 was played with a purpose jansteen 3d*: What's the hottest place on the board? imp NR : so, black plays f15:) jansteen 3d*: right imp! jansteen 3d*: Difference between white f16 or black f15 is huge jansteen 3d*: (;Fundamentals of Go: connecting and cutting) ...
第15手
jansteen 3d*: This move makes d14 and j16 miai ...
第16手
jansteen 3d*: Next? imp NR : we say j16 jansteen 3d*: imp and Kirsten payed attention :) ...
第17手
jansteen 3d*: And now two choices: j17 or e17, which one? jansteen 3d*: Why? imp NR : agree here jansteen 3d*: Right, walking along the top is bad because o17 is waiting ...
第18手
jansteen 3d*: Anyone knows next move for black? ...
第20手
jansteen 3d*: This trade is fair since white protected the upper-left corner with e17 and f18 jansteen 3d*: The usual move for black is g17 here, but there is another hot area, anyone can spot it? imp NR : r12? jansteen 3d*: r12 is not so urgent jansteen 3d*: White's upper-right can settle by either r17 or r11, so not urgent imp NR : hmm, in LR then jansteen 3d*: club got it imp NR : but nothing special there? jansteen 3d*: White played elsewhere after r8, r4 collects interest ...
第21手
imp NR : ah, did not think r4 was *that* important :) Pollux 11k : ;hi. all dans here? imp NR : guess not, normally many strengths participate :) jansteen 3d*: Next move also makes sense, remember what I said about UL joseki? imp NR : so welcome to join in jansteen 3d*: Think more severe malf jansteen 3d*: You got the idea, just perfection now ...
第22手
jansteen 3d*: White takes interest from black's tenuki jansteen 3d*: Next move is must... jansteen 3d*: which? ...
第23手
jansteen 3d*: Right, h15 only move jansteen 3d*: Just a matter of shape, you don't need to read such a move imp NR : or j15:) jansteen 3d*: Not j15 imp, h15 would slice through black's position ...
第24手
jansteen 3d*: Next move is also basic jansteen 3d*: Which? ...
第25手
jansteen 3d*: Go is very simple game, just shape, cutting and connecting jansteen 3d*: Everybody can play like this jansteen 3d*: Right, nice moment to play elsewhere, where? jansteen 3d*: l3? Why? jansteen 3d*: l3 protects h3, when black enters anyway white can still o3 ...
第26手
jansteen 3d*: Usually l3 is miai with another move jansteen 3d*: Otherwise white's shape would become too perfect jansteen 3d*: Which move? imp NR : c3 must, then w o3 jansteen 3d*: Good imp! ...
第28手
jansteen 3d*: I would block at d3 instead of o3 jansteen 3d*: Would d3 be possible as well? imp NR : o3 gives b difficulties in the corner, keeps it slightly weak jansteen 3d*: ok jansteen 3d*: Black has to move out of the corner now jansteen 3d*: again: cutting (;r6 and o3) imp NR : b has to do something in LR, which proves o3 better than d3:) jansteen 3d*: There is a traditional combination here, which one? jansteen 3d*: Right club, you are good interpreting hints :) ...
第29手
jansteen 3d*: The combination is: m4, m3, o4 ...
第34手
jansteen 3d*: The usual pro-magic playing with shapes jansteen 3d*: Both go their own way jansteen 3d*: direction is correct club, shape? imp NR : f2 now? imp NR : or q7 defence? ...
第35手
jansteen 3d*: n6 goes ahead of white imp NR : better than q7 this:) jansteen 3d*: White of course wants to use r6 most efficient way, but preparation is necessary, next? imp NR : r17? jansteen 3d*: r10 very direct (;leaves weakness at r12) jansteen 3d*: r17 is big, but urgent move before big one imp NR : or d3? jansteen 3d*: d3 only one purpose: defending territory ...
第36手
jansteen 3d*: This move radiates power all over the place jansteen 3d*: Suddenly white q7 becomes an option, or l17 as well jansteen 3d*: Besides, when black plays first at right side (;r12), LR becomes very large and... imp NR : I think I understand this: has to do something against b r12, this better than corner jansteen 3d*: r6 is eaten the largest possible way jansteen 3d*: Black defends against q7, how? imp NR : q10? jansteen 3d*: q10 correct idea but no follow-up move against white's position ...
第37手
jansteen 3d*: Next one logical as well, imp? jansteen 3d*: r11 would be defense only imp NR : p10, or maybe q9? ...
第38手
imp NR : should have known:) jansteen 3d*: r17 is: 1. big, 2. defense 3. attack jansteen 3d*: Well, of course black doesn't defend with q17 here but seeks own ways, where? jansteen 3d*: q17 would be similar to d3 kind of move: one purpose jansteen 3d*: Don't think about local situation too much, fly around :) jansteen 3d*: left side is least interesting area, both low: c6 and c14 ...
第39手
jansteen 3d*: This move is: 1. big 2. attacking potential jansteen 3d*: As you might understand by now white does not defend with something like g3 but also goes own way, where? imp NR : m17 maybe? jansteen 3d*: p18 is not severe enough, direction is correct jansteen 3d*: m17/l17 are equal direction, both correct, l17 more correct imp NR : simply q17? ...
第40手
jansteen 3d*: This is shape because of j18 option jansteen 3d*: Go can be very simple game jansteen 3d*: This game is extremely simple and instructive I think imp NR : l16? jansteen 3d*: Nothing special so far, all basic ideas jansteen 3d*: What's difficult for us is to go our own way I think jansteen 3d*: We see the points, but timing and such is difficult imp NR : true:) jansteen 3d*: Ok, black is risking to be cut in two by l15, so? imp NR : j18 overplay here? jansteen 3d*: j18 definitely overplay, white l15 jansteen 3d*: m16 correct direction, black played lighter ...
第41手
imp NR : but what if n16 now? Couldn't think of good answer. jansteen 3d*: If white n16 black will start fighting with q14 or similar jansteen 3d*: With j18 still there this is an equal fight ...
第42手
jansteen 3d*: Why k18? jansteen 3d*: Right, less forcing moves for black now ...
第45手
jansteen 3d*: Black takes care of n16 weakness ...
第48手
jansteen 3d*: White o12 quite a decision jansteen 3d*: o12 valuable and still aiming thinness in black's top jansteen 3d*: However, black can now ...? imp NR : CUT:) ...
第49手
jansteen 3d*: Right! ...
第53手
jansteen 3d*: Next move: o9 or m12? ...
第54手
jansteen 3d*: o9 prevents black o10 (;which attacks and is very big) jansteen 3d*: How will black defend here? What does white want? jansteen 3d*: p8 would be usual way to defend, agree jansteen 3d*: But then o9 would feel very much kikashi and white would take other keypoint (;m12) as well imp NR : simply m12? ...
第55手
jansteen 3d*: Right imp :) jansteen 3d*: m12 defends by attacking the white group jansteen 3d*: pro's always look for positive solutions (;with multiple meaning) jansteen 3d*: m12 strengthens top and weakens white's group jansteen 3d*: Now fighting comes as you might guess... jansteen 3d*: thousand variations here, I just show the game.... ...
第56手
jansteen 3d*: n5 wants o6 obviously ...
第58手
jansteen 3d*: Looks like black demolished here jansteen 3d*: But just stay cool and.... ...
第59手
jansteen 3d*: Now miai of o8 and o10 jansteen 3d*: Counter-attack ...
第63手
jansteen 3d*: Result: white cut off n6, black captured q11: a furikawari ...
第67手
jansteen 3d*: Who's better? jansteen 3d*: inkarri think b better, club think w better; who's right? :) ...
第68手
jansteen 3d*: White built thickness and saved r6 stone, I think at least equal for white ...
第69手
jansteen 3d*: this move is kikashi ...
第72手
jansteen 3d*: Next sequence is interesting jansteen 3d*: black doesn't want to give center for free... ...
第73手
jansteen 3d*: sente ...
第75手
jansteen 3d*: Suddenly tables seem turned, next move? jansteen 3d*: Think positive imp NR : m8? jansteen 3d*: m8 correct direction, but m8 stresses defense jansteen 3d*: look for offense :) ...
第76手
pizza 1d : m6 imp NR : l12? jansteen 3d*: l8 very positive move ...
第77手
jansteen 3d*: Treatens l5 ...
第79手
jansteen 3d*: Another exchange jansteen 3d*: Very interesting ...
第83手
imp NR : k6 soon i think jansteen 3d*: Next move impossible to find, pro skills come.... jansteen 3d*: The result is spectacular imp NR : m13? jansteen 3d*: very close imp! hwong 10k*: jansteen, you make the game very interesting to watch! jansteen 3d*: thank you hwong :) imp NR : l13? jansteen 3d*: Try to combine the l17 stone and o11 cut imp NR : m14 also something to think of... jansteen 3d*: yes imp! ...
第84手
imp NR : Unfair, the pro's have hours:) jansteen 3d*: Not hours imp, this is lightning game :) jansteen 3d*: m14 makes miai of l15 and o11 trouble ...
第90手
jansteen 3d*: What if l13 now? jansteen 3d*: Possible? jansteen 3d*: p16 cutting point left ...
第94手
jansteen 3d*: Quite a result, isn't it? ...
第98手
jansteen 3d*: Black to play and make shape with top center group, where? imp NR : d13? jansteen 3d*: Good feeling shouzhuo, very close ...
第99手
jansteen 3d*: Looks nice too, less heavy than e13 jansteen 3d*: No shouzhuo, only one :) ...
第116手
jansteen 3d*: White plays simple: keeps black seperated jansteen 3d*: Meanwhile, the center is enlarged ...
第119手
jansteen 3d*: A moment to be careful, where? imp NR : d17? imp NR : we seem not careful:) imp NR : c18 then ...
第120手
jansteen 3d*: I'm not sure what will happen after the usual b17 instead ...
第124手
jansteen 3d*: White wants to close d6 jansteen 3d*: So black enters from the other side... ...
第145手
jansteen 3d*: Black starts the semeai ...
第159手
imp NR : strange: w plays as in need of points (;b6) imp NR : but seems much agead to me ...
第172手
jansteen 3d*: Here black resigned imp NR : very nice game, thx jan hwong 10k*: thanks jansteen jansteen 3d*: Ok, some post-game comments:.... jansteen 3d*: After black's four stone capture of q11 black was ahead jansteen 3d*: After white's tesuji of m14 white was ahead jansteen 3d*: Thank you all for input and a very lively and interesting analysis, we learned a lot! jansteen 3d*: Ok, I close the game now, pls re-study in private :) ...
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第10手
jansteen 3d*: Well, they "go their own way" jansteen 3d*: Difficult position jansteen 3d*: What's direction in lower-right? jansteen 3d*: Question is: r4 or r8? imp NR : r8 (;Kirsten), same for me:) jansteen 3d*: Why? jansteen 3d*: Right, r8 has two meanings: attack r6 and develop q16 ...
第14手
jansteen 3d*: Next move makes sense, ideas? jansteen 3d*: (;previous moves made sense too, but next move can be predicted) jansteen 3d*: o17 was played with a purpose jansteen 3d*: What's the hottest place on the board? imp NR : so, black plays f15:) jansteen 3d*: right imp! jansteen 3d*: Difference between white f16 or black f15 is huge jansteen 3d*: (;Fundamentals of Go: connecting and cutting) ...
第15手
jansteen 3d*: This move makes d14 and j16 miai ...
第16手
jansteen 3d*: Next? imp NR : we say j16 jansteen 3d*: imp and Kirsten payed attention :) ...
第17手
jansteen 3d*: And now two choices: j17 or e17, which one? jansteen 3d*: Why? imp NR : agree here jansteen 3d*: Right, walking along the top is bad because o17 is waiting ...
第18手
jansteen 3d*: Anyone knows next move for black? ...
第20手
jansteen 3d*: This trade is fair since white protected the upper-left corner with e17 and f18 jansteen 3d*: The usual move for black is g17 here, but there is another hot area, anyone can spot it? imp NR : r12? jansteen 3d*: r12 is not so urgent jansteen 3d*: White's upper-right can settle by either r17 or r11, so not urgent imp NR : hmm, in LR then jansteen 3d*: club got it imp NR : but nothing special there? jansteen 3d*: White played elsewhere after r8, r4 collects interest ...
第21手
imp NR : ah, did not think r4 was *that* important :) Pollux 11k : ;hi. all dans here? imp NR : guess not, normally many strengths participate :) jansteen 3d*: Next move also makes sense, remember what I said about UL joseki? imp NR : so welcome to join in jansteen 3d*: Think more severe malf jansteen 3d*: You got the idea, just perfection now ...
第22手
jansteen 3d*: White takes interest from black's tenuki jansteen 3d*: Next move is must... jansteen 3d*: which? ...
第23手
jansteen 3d*: Right, h15 only move jansteen 3d*: Just a matter of shape, you don't need to read such a move imp NR : or j15:) jansteen 3d*: Not j15 imp, h15 would slice through black's position ...
第24手
jansteen 3d*: Next move is also basic jansteen 3d*: Which? ...
第25手
jansteen 3d*: Go is very simple game, just shape, cutting and connecting jansteen 3d*: Everybody can play like this jansteen 3d*: Right, nice moment to play elsewhere, where? jansteen 3d*: l3? Why? jansteen 3d*: l3 protects h3, when black enters anyway white can still o3 ...
第26手
jansteen 3d*: Usually l3 is miai with another move jansteen 3d*: Otherwise white's shape would become too perfect jansteen 3d*: Which move? imp NR : c3 must, then w o3 jansteen 3d*: Good imp! ...
第28手
jansteen 3d*: I would block at d3 instead of o3 jansteen 3d*: Would d3 be possible as well? imp NR : o3 gives b difficulties in the corner, keeps it slightly weak jansteen 3d*: ok jansteen 3d*: Black has to move out of the corner now jansteen 3d*: again: cutting (;r6 and o3) imp NR : b has to do something in LR, which proves o3 better than d3:) jansteen 3d*: There is a traditional combination here, which one? jansteen 3d*: Right club, you are good interpreting hints :) ...
第29手
jansteen 3d*: The combination is: m4, m3, o4 ...
第34手
jansteen 3d*: The usual pro-magic playing with shapes jansteen 3d*: Both go their own way jansteen 3d*: direction is correct club, shape? imp NR : f2 now? imp NR : or q7 defence? ...
第35手
jansteen 3d*: n6 goes ahead of white imp NR : better than q7 this:) jansteen 3d*: White of course wants to use r6 most efficient way, but preparation is necessary, next? imp NR : r17? jansteen 3d*: r10 very direct (;leaves weakness at r12) jansteen 3d*: r17 is big, but urgent move before big one imp NR : or d3? jansteen 3d*: d3 only one purpose: defending territory ...
第36手
jansteen 3d*: This move radiates power all over the place jansteen 3d*: Suddenly white q7 becomes an option, or l17 as well jansteen 3d*: Besides, when black plays first at right side (;r12), LR becomes very large and... imp NR : I think I understand this: has to do something against b r12, this better than corner jansteen 3d*: r6 is eaten the largest possible way jansteen 3d*: Black defends against q7, how? imp NR : q10? jansteen 3d*: q10 correct idea but no follow-up move against white's position ...
第37手
jansteen 3d*: Next one logical as well, imp? jansteen 3d*: r11 would be defense only imp NR : p10, or maybe q9? ...
第38手
imp NR : should have known:) jansteen 3d*: r17 is: 1. big, 2. defense 3. attack jansteen 3d*: Well, of course black doesn't defend with q17 here but seeks own ways, where? jansteen 3d*: q17 would be similar to d3 kind of move: one purpose jansteen 3d*: Don't think about local situation too much, fly around :) jansteen 3d*: left side is least interesting area, both low: c6 and c14 ...
第39手
jansteen 3d*: This move is: 1. big 2. attacking potential jansteen 3d*: As you might understand by now white does not defend with something like g3 but also goes own way, where? imp NR : m17 maybe? jansteen 3d*: p18 is not severe enough, direction is correct jansteen 3d*: m17/l17 are equal direction, both correct, l17 more correct imp NR : simply q17? ...
第40手
jansteen 3d*: This is shape because of j18 option jansteen 3d*: Go can be very simple game jansteen 3d*: This game is extremely simple and instructive I think imp NR : l16? jansteen 3d*: Nothing special so far, all basic ideas jansteen 3d*: What's difficult for us is to go our own way I think jansteen 3d*: We see the points, but timing and such is difficult imp NR : true:) jansteen 3d*: Ok, black is risking to be cut in two by l15, so? imp NR : j18 overplay here? jansteen 3d*: j18 definitely overplay, white l15 jansteen 3d*: m16 correct direction, black played lighter ...
第41手
imp NR : but what if n16 now? Couldn't think of good answer. jansteen 3d*: If white n16 black will start fighting with q14 or similar jansteen 3d*: With j18 still there this is an equal fight ...
第42手
jansteen 3d*: Why k18? jansteen 3d*: Right, less forcing moves for black now ...
第45手
jansteen 3d*: Black takes care of n16 weakness ...
第48手
jansteen 3d*: White o12 quite a decision jansteen 3d*: o12 valuable and still aiming thinness in black's top jansteen 3d*: However, black can now ...? imp NR : CUT:) ...
第49手
jansteen 3d*: Right! ...
第53手
jansteen 3d*: Next move: o9 or m12? ...
第54手
jansteen 3d*: o9 prevents black o10 (;which attacks and is very big) jansteen 3d*: How will black defend here? What does white want? jansteen 3d*: p8 would be usual way to defend, agree jansteen 3d*: But then o9 would feel very much kikashi and white would take other keypoint (;m12) as well imp NR : simply m12? ...
第55手
jansteen 3d*: Right imp :) jansteen 3d*: m12 defends by attacking the white group jansteen 3d*: pro's always look for positive solutions (;with multiple meaning) jansteen 3d*: m12 strengthens top and weakens white's group jansteen 3d*: Now fighting comes as you might guess... jansteen 3d*: thousand variations here, I just show the game.... ...
第56手
jansteen 3d*: n5 wants o6 obviously ...
第58手
jansteen 3d*: Looks like black demolished here jansteen 3d*: But just stay cool and.... ...
第59手
jansteen 3d*: Now miai of o8 and o10 jansteen 3d*: Counter-attack ...
第63手
jansteen 3d*: Result: white cut off n6, black captured q11: a furikawari ...
第67手
jansteen 3d*: Who's better? jansteen 3d*: inkarri think b better, club think w better; who's right? :) ...
第68手
jansteen 3d*: White built thickness and saved r6 stone, I think at least equal for white ...
第69手
jansteen 3d*: this move is kikashi ...
第72手
jansteen 3d*: Next sequence is interesting jansteen 3d*: black doesn't want to give center for free... ...
第73手
jansteen 3d*: sente ...
第75手
jansteen 3d*: Suddenly tables seem turned, next move? jansteen 3d*: Think positive imp NR : m8? jansteen 3d*: m8 correct direction, but m8 stresses defense jansteen 3d*: look for offense :) ...
第76手
pizza 1d : m6 imp NR : l12? jansteen 3d*: l8 very positive move ...
第77手
jansteen 3d*: Treatens l5 ...
第79手
jansteen 3d*: Another exchange jansteen 3d*: Very interesting ...
第83手
imp NR : k6 soon i think jansteen 3d*: Next move impossible to find, pro skills come.... jansteen 3d*: The result is spectacular imp NR : m13? jansteen 3d*: very close imp! hwong 10k*: jansteen, you make the game very interesting to watch! jansteen 3d*: thank you hwong :) imp NR : l13? jansteen 3d*: Try to combine the l17 stone and o11 cut imp NR : m14 also something to think of... jansteen 3d*: yes imp! ...
第84手
imp NR : Unfair, the pro's have hours:) jansteen 3d*: Not hours imp, this is lightning game :) jansteen 3d*: m14 makes miai of l15 and o11 trouble ...
第90手
jansteen 3d*: What if l13 now? jansteen 3d*: Possible? jansteen 3d*: p16 cutting point left ...
第94手
jansteen 3d*: Quite a result, isn't it? ...
第98手
jansteen 3d*: Black to play and make shape with top center group, where? imp NR : d13? jansteen 3d*: Good feeling shouzhuo, very close ...
第99手
jansteen 3d*: Looks nice too, less heavy than e13 jansteen 3d*: No shouzhuo, only one :) ...
第116手
jansteen 3d*: White plays simple: keeps black seperated jansteen 3d*: Meanwhile, the center is enlarged ...
第119手
jansteen 3d*: A moment to be careful, where? imp NR : d17? imp NR : we seem not careful:) imp NR : c18 then ...
第120手
jansteen 3d*: I'm not sure what will happen after the usual b17 instead ...
第124手
jansteen 3d*: White wants to close d6 jansteen 3d*: So black enters from the other side... ...
第145手
jansteen 3d*: Black starts the semeai ...
第159手
imp NR : strange: w plays as in need of points (;b6) imp NR : but seems much agead to me ...
第172手
jansteen 3d*: Here black resigned imp NR : very nice game, thx jan hwong 10k*: thanks jansteen jansteen 3d*: Ok, some post-game comments:.... jansteen 3d*: After black's four stone capture of q11 black was ahead jansteen 3d*: After white's tesuji of m14 white was ahead jansteen 3d*: Thank you all for input and a very lively and interesting analysis, we learned a lot! jansteen 3d*: Ok, I close the game now, pls re-study in private :) ...
第10手
jansteen 3d*: Well, they "go their own way" jansteen 3d*: Difficult position jansteen 3d*: What's direction in lower-right? jansteen 3d*: Question is: r4 or r8? imp NR : r8 (;Kirsten), same for me:) jansteen 3d*: Why? jansteen 3d*: Right, r8 has two meanings: attack r6 and develop q16 ...
第14手
jansteen 3d*: Next move makes sense, ideas? jansteen 3d*: (;previous moves made sense too, but next move can be predicted) jansteen 3d*: o17 was played with a purpose jansteen 3d*: What's the hottest place on the board? imp NR : so, black plays f15:) jansteen 3d*: right imp! jansteen 3d*: Difference between white f16 or black f15 is huge jansteen 3d*: (;Fundamentals of Go: connecting and cutting) ...
第15手
jansteen 3d*: This move makes d14 and j16 miai ...
第16手
jansteen 3d*: Next? imp NR : we say j16 jansteen 3d*: imp and Kirsten payed attention :) ...
第17手
jansteen 3d*: And now two choices: j17 or e17, which one? jansteen 3d*: Why? imp NR : agree here jansteen 3d*: Right, walking along the top is bad because o17 is waiting ...
第18手
jansteen 3d*: Anyone knows next move for black? ...
第20手
jansteen 3d*: This trade is fair since white protected the upper-left corner with e17 and f18 jansteen 3d*: The usual move for black is g17 here, but there is another hot area, anyone can spot it? imp NR : r12? jansteen 3d*: r12 is not so urgent jansteen 3d*: White's upper-right can settle by either r17 or r11, so not urgent imp NR : hmm, in LR then jansteen 3d*: club got it imp NR : but nothing special there? jansteen 3d*: White played elsewhere after r8, r4 collects interest ...
第21手
imp NR : ah, did not think r4 was *that* important :) Pollux 11k : ;hi. all dans here? imp NR : guess not, normally many strengths participate :) jansteen 3d*: Next move also makes sense, remember what I said about UL joseki? imp NR : so welcome to join in jansteen 3d*: Think more severe malf jansteen 3d*: You got the idea, just perfection now ...
第22手
jansteen 3d*: White takes interest from black's tenuki jansteen 3d*: Next move is must... jansteen 3d*: which? ...
第23手
jansteen 3d*: Right, h15 only move jansteen 3d*: Just a matter of shape, you don't need to read such a move imp NR : or j15:) jansteen 3d*: Not j15 imp, h15 would slice through black's position ...
第24手
jansteen 3d*: Next move is also basic jansteen 3d*: Which? ...
第25手
jansteen 3d*: Go is very simple game, just shape, cutting and connecting jansteen 3d*: Everybody can play like this jansteen 3d*: Right, nice moment to play elsewhere, where? jansteen 3d*: l3? Why? jansteen 3d*: l3 protects h3, when black enters anyway white can still o3 ...
第26手
jansteen 3d*: Usually l3 is miai with another move jansteen 3d*: Otherwise white's shape would become too perfect jansteen 3d*: Which move? imp NR : c3 must, then w o3 jansteen 3d*: Good imp! ...
第28手
jansteen 3d*: I would block at d3 instead of o3 jansteen 3d*: Would d3 be possible as well? imp NR : o3 gives b difficulties in the corner, keeps it slightly weak jansteen 3d*: ok jansteen 3d*: Black has to move out of the corner now jansteen 3d*: again: cutting (;r6 and o3) imp NR : b has to do something in LR, which proves o3 better than d3:) jansteen 3d*: There is a traditional combination here, which one? jansteen 3d*: Right club, you are good interpreting hints :) ...
第29手
jansteen 3d*: The combination is: m4, m3, o4 ...
第34手
jansteen 3d*: The usual pro-magic playing with shapes jansteen 3d*: Both go their own way jansteen 3d*: direction is correct club, shape? imp NR : f2 now? imp NR : or q7 defence? ...
第35手
jansteen 3d*: n6 goes ahead of white imp NR : better than q7 this:) jansteen 3d*: White of course wants to use r6 most efficient way, but preparation is necessary, next? imp NR : r17? jansteen 3d*: r10 very direct (;leaves weakness at r12) jansteen 3d*: r17 is big, but urgent move before big one imp NR : or d3? jansteen 3d*: d3 only one purpose: defending territory ...
第36手
jansteen 3d*: This move radiates power all over the place jansteen 3d*: Suddenly white q7 becomes an option, or l17 as well jansteen 3d*: Besides, when black plays first at right side (;r12), LR becomes very large and... imp NR : I think I understand this: has to do something against b r12, this better than corner jansteen 3d*: r6 is eaten the largest possible way jansteen 3d*: Black defends against q7, how? imp NR : q10? jansteen 3d*: q10 correct idea but no follow-up move against white's position ...
第37手
jansteen 3d*: Next one logical as well, imp? jansteen 3d*: r11 would be defense only imp NR : p10, or maybe q9? ...
第38手
imp NR : should have known:) jansteen 3d*: r17 is: 1. big, 2. defense 3. attack jansteen 3d*: Well, of course black doesn't defend with q17 here but seeks own ways, where? jansteen 3d*: q17 would be similar to d3 kind of move: one purpose jansteen 3d*: Don't think about local situation too much, fly around :) jansteen 3d*: left side is least interesting area, both low: c6 and c14 ...
第39手
jansteen 3d*: This move is: 1. big 2. attacking potential jansteen 3d*: As you might understand by now white does not defend with something like g3 but also goes own way, where? imp NR : m17 maybe? jansteen 3d*: p18 is not severe enough, direction is correct jansteen 3d*: m17/l17 are equal direction, both correct, l17 more correct imp NR : simply q17? ...
第40手
jansteen 3d*: This is shape because of j18 option jansteen 3d*: Go can be very simple game jansteen 3d*: This game is extremely simple and instructive I think imp NR : l16? jansteen 3d*: Nothing special so far, all basic ideas jansteen 3d*: What's difficult for us is to go our own way I think jansteen 3d*: We see the points, but timing and such is difficult imp NR : true:) jansteen 3d*: Ok, black is risking to be cut in two by l15, so? imp NR : j18 overplay here? jansteen 3d*: j18 definitely overplay, white l15 jansteen 3d*: m16 correct direction, black played lighter ...
第41手
imp NR : but what if n16 now? Couldn't think of good answer. jansteen 3d*: If white n16 black will start fighting with q14 or similar jansteen 3d*: With j18 still there this is an equal fight ...
第42手
jansteen 3d*: Why k18? jansteen 3d*: Right, less forcing moves for black now ...
第45手
jansteen 3d*: Black takes care of n16 weakness ...
第48手
jansteen 3d*: White o12 quite a decision jansteen 3d*: o12 valuable and still aiming thinness in black's top jansteen 3d*: However, black can now ...? imp NR : CUT:) ...
第49手
jansteen 3d*: Right! ...
第53手
jansteen 3d*: Next move: o9 or m12? ...
第54手
jansteen 3d*: o9 prevents black o10 (;which attacks and is very big) jansteen 3d*: How will black defend here? What does white want? jansteen 3d*: p8 would be usual way to defend, agree jansteen 3d*: But then o9 would feel very much kikashi and white would take other keypoint (;m12) as well imp NR : simply m12? ...
第55手
jansteen 3d*: Right imp :) jansteen 3d*: m12 defends by attacking the white group jansteen 3d*: pro's always look for positive solutions (;with multiple meaning) jansteen 3d*: m12 strengthens top and weakens white's group jansteen 3d*: Now fighting comes as you might guess... jansteen 3d*: thousand variations here, I just show the game.... ...
第56手
jansteen 3d*: n5 wants o6 obviously ...
第58手
jansteen 3d*: Looks like black demolished here jansteen 3d*: But just stay cool and.... ...
第59手
jansteen 3d*: Now miai of o8 and o10 jansteen 3d*: Counter-attack ...
第63手
jansteen 3d*: Result: white cut off n6, black captured q11: a furikawari ...
第67手
jansteen 3d*: Who's better? jansteen 3d*: inkarri think b better, club think w better; who's right? :) ...
第68手
jansteen 3d*: White built thickness and saved r6 stone, I think at least equal for white ...
第69手
jansteen 3d*: this move is kikashi ...
第72手
jansteen 3d*: Next sequence is interesting jansteen 3d*: black doesn't want to give center for free... ...
第73手
jansteen 3d*: sente ...
第75手
jansteen 3d*: Suddenly tables seem turned, next move? jansteen 3d*: Think positive imp NR : m8? jansteen 3d*: m8 correct direction, but m8 stresses defense jansteen 3d*: look for offense :) ...
第76手
pizza 1d : m6 imp NR : l12? jansteen 3d*: l8 very positive move ...
第77手
jansteen 3d*: Treatens l5 ...
第79手
jansteen 3d*: Another exchange jansteen 3d*: Very interesting ...
第83手
imp NR : k6 soon i think jansteen 3d*: Next move impossible to find, pro skills come.... jansteen 3d*: The result is spectacular imp NR : m13? jansteen 3d*: very close imp! hwong 10k*: jansteen, you make the game very interesting to watch! jansteen 3d*: thank you hwong :) imp NR : l13? jansteen 3d*: Try to combine the l17 stone and o11 cut imp NR : m14 also something to think of... jansteen 3d*: yes imp! ...
第84手
imp NR : Unfair, the pro's have hours:) jansteen 3d*: Not hours imp, this is lightning game :) jansteen 3d*: m14 makes miai of l15 and o11 trouble ...
第90手
jansteen 3d*: What if l13 now? jansteen 3d*: Possible? jansteen 3d*: p16 cutting point left ...
第94手
jansteen 3d*: Quite a result, isn't it? ...
第98手
jansteen 3d*: Black to play and make shape with top center group, where? imp NR : d13? jansteen 3d*: Good feeling shouzhuo, very close ...
第99手
jansteen 3d*: Looks nice too, less heavy than e13 jansteen 3d*: No shouzhuo, only one :) ...
第116手
jansteen 3d*: White plays simple: keeps black seperated jansteen 3d*: Meanwhile, the center is enlarged ...
第119手
jansteen 3d*: A moment to be careful, where? imp NR : d17? imp NR : we seem not careful:) imp NR : c18 then ...
第120手
jansteen 3d*: I'm not sure what will happen after the usual b17 instead ...
第124手
jansteen 3d*: White wants to close d6 jansteen 3d*: So black enters from the other side... ...
第145手
jansteen 3d*: Black starts the semeai ...
第159手
imp NR : strange: w plays as in need of points (;b6) imp NR : but seems much agead to me ...
第172手
jansteen 3d*: Here black resigned imp NR : very nice game, thx jan hwong 10k*: thanks jansteen jansteen 3d*: Ok, some post-game comments:.... jansteen 3d*: After black's four stone capture of q11 black was ahead jansteen 3d*: After white's tesuji of m14 white was ahead jansteen 3d*: Thank you all for input and a very lively and interesting analysis, we learned a lot! jansteen 3d*: Ok, I close the game now, pls re-study in private :) ...